[00:00:02] From the new recording lair located deep beneath the Wine and Spirit Store in Ephrata, Pennsylvania You're listening to the Masonic Lite Podcast Studio 665 presents Masonic Lite Podcast This show is recorded by Masons, for Masons, and is for entertainment purposes only And please, no wagering
[00:00:31] This podcast is not endorsed by any Grand Lodge And the ridiculous ramblings of the hosts are their own And now, here's your host Hey everybody, it's the Masonic Lite Podcast What? Yes it is And this is episode number 191 It feels like it's been forever It has been Did we get an extra week in there?
[00:01:00] Yeah, don't you remember? We had to cancel it Oh that's right, yeah, we had some Everyone loves hearing about the episodes we didn't have Yeah We had some situations Yes We had some situations So, 191 191 bottles of beer on the wall Nine closer to 191 bottles of beer 191 bottles of beer And we're just slightly past our anniversary The real actual The real actual The real anniversary April 6th, 2016 Yep
[00:01:28] That's your first sewed, Larry That was your first sewed Yep So it's good to have everybody here How many years ago was that? Larry, you okay? I don't know We're not doing this again We're not doing this again Take off your shoes Tattoo it on your chest like memento It doesn't feel like nine It just feels like maybe a couple It doesn't feel like nine We're dedicating like three or four minutes an episode What's the matter with my voice? Oh, it's freaking cool You're not speaking into the microphone Is that what it is? Speaking into the microphone No, it's awfully high pitched tonight So you need your medicine, Larry
[00:01:58] So, tonight's episode is brought to you by our sponsors George J. Grovenson Hiram and Solomon Cigars Helm Construction Err, err Intermezzo by Stephanie Yeah Let's see Cigar Lodge number one That's now contributing No, never mind I'm doing the wrong thing Never mind Helm Construction Thank you for nothing Cigar Lodge one Ow, my neck Ow, sorry about that Now we gotta get money from the grand smoke
[00:02:27] Helm Construction Two Pillars Apparel And tonight we welcome a brand new sponsor Who would that be? That would be a Mason's Work And we know that Now for those of you who don't know about a Mason's Work You need to go back and listen to episode number 190 There you go Our guest Brian Maddox, that was with us last time Became a contributing sponsor for his work that he's doing there He's the man And in an example to all other guests, he brought lots of swag Yes, he did By the way
[00:02:57] We all left here with bags of swag I stole the one accidentally, I'll bring it back The one bag of swag that he brought Oh, did you? I did Did you get two? The deck of cards? Yes I didn't mean to take that I haven't I don't even know what to say It's very cool I'm just glad your conscience got the better of you Alright, let's get back in line What? What are we talking about? Come on boys, let's go Who's with us tonight? Also, no, we have one more thing What? What?
[00:03:27] Our most important sponsors are our Patreon supporters Oh, yeah And we have a brand new $13 contributor as of today Do you have any strings? Do you have any light strings, orchestral strings in the background We can lay over this please Brand new $13 contributor as of today Brother Charles Sheasley, who just happens to be a member of my launch And that was a total surprise Wow You're the man When I got the notification today I went, way to go Charles We were
[00:03:55] I don't care what Tim says about you when the mics aren't on I think you're a great guy Charles, next time I see you I'll buy you a drink There you go Alright, our fantastic Patreon supporters And you too can be one of those, Jack And how can we? I am How can we do that, Tim? You can go to patreon.com slash MasonicLightPodcast And do what? And for as little as $1 a month How much? $1 $1 Or you could be like Charles Sheasley and contribute $13 Absolutely Because we love Charles And be at the Master Mason level
[00:04:25] Yes, and you get your name mentioned maybe Anyway, we love our Patreon supporters Absolutely Email us at any time at MasonicLightPodcast At gmail.com For $13 we'll mention your name For $25 a month we'll provide an alibi a year Xandthreads at MasonicLight And you can follow us on Facebook and Instagram So But don't go to our website Don't go to our website Just yet Just yet It's still kind of sketchy It's getting there
[00:04:54] And we have nothing whatsoever to do with it Alright, it's clear we've not done an episode in a few weeks We're like all over the place So I'm Tim and we're in studio tonight We have a full house Jack, Josh, Larry, Jake And tonight we are joined by our special guest Joy Doherty We'll come back in just a moment Before we begin though Let's do a really quick round table I pledge allegiance to her No, no, no Okay, sorry Let's see what we've been up to Masonically Since we last gathered Larry Maris, I ask you
[00:05:23] I have failed miserably Okay, that's a good one I've been negotiating with me on higher There you go That's about it Okay I did not get to lodge Okay Because we had a rusty nail degree And my old back can't take it anymore Okay Besides, I'm tired of that stuff Jake I did nothing I've been selling a house And doing some other stuff Alright, good, we're on a roll here Josh I watched a Masonic documentary Oh, that counts Which one did you watch? I forget what it's called Okay But I watched it Put it in the show notes
[00:05:53] Was it any good, first of all? No Okay, then don't watch it Alright I ask you District Deputy Grand High Priest Jack Harley What have you been up to Masonically? I don't remember any of it But apparently since our last Masonic podcast I had operatives I went to a dinner and a show with my wife That wasn't Masonically I had Junto Council AMD There was a funeral And let's see, what else?
[00:06:23] I got, I don't know All kinds of stuff Here, I'll pick up a couple more for you So anyway Yeah, I'm sure you will But it's been very Did you go to Ubar? I did go to Ubar You did? Thank you Did you, Larry? No No You gotta pay your dues, by the way I did Did you? You got my check? I did I still have to get Jeff my check Still So I have to I have to go to Ubar But that creates a conflict Okay With something else You might be able to take it
[00:06:51] Just kite the check for a month or two Jeez Anyway So anyway I've been very busy The district deputy thing is still very fun It's interesting I feel something's happening in chapter these days At least It feels like it is There's something happening here That's always good to know that something is happening What it is ain't exactly
[00:07:21] What it is ain't exactly clear There's a man With No, never mind Is with a gun over there But no, it's a good feeling right now It's like It's getting It's getting better organized The chapters are working on the work Because nobody wants to join a body that the work is bad True I mean that's just so fundamental If you join something You want to at least know That the people that are putting it on
[00:07:50] Have respect for the work And that I think is really important So I sense a general improvement in that coming And I'm really excited about chapter in this area So since our last episode I was initiated into Trinity Conclave of the Red Cross of Constantine Which was really cool Attended Ubar Grotto This was what I misread earlier I attended Cigar Lodge No. 1
[00:08:19] Same night as Ubar Grotto Attended the Robert Burns Lodge No. 464 Banquet Here's one you missed I was initiated into the Joshua Society Oh, that's right Jack sponsored me I did It only took a year You owe me fealty forever Actually it took two years Because you weren't there last year either So neither was I So Joshua Society
[00:08:45] I was a guest of a fellow member of my lodge at Constance AMD Donegal Church Operatives that you mentioned I had the fourth degree conferred upon me That is a cool body It really is It's available I believe it's available to any Master Mason And it's a really cool body It's the operatives It was founded by a guy who was a stonemason
[00:09:13] Who found himself like the guild collapsed The guild system collapsed And he didn't want this trade knowledge to be lost So he perpetuated the stuff that he was taught the way he was taught it In a ritual scenario And that's kind of the history of the operatives And it's really cool to see it done Because it requires a bunch of props and people moving around
[00:09:41] Things are twisted around differently than what you're used to It's just very cool If you're a Master Mason Try to find an operatives What is it? Assemblage Assemblage And if there isn't one, start one Is this a monthly meeting? No Ours meets on the fifth Saturday during the year So when there's a fifth Saturday we meet Guess who started it? And yeah Anybody that's
[00:10:11] I think I know who started that Anyway But it's Yeah I mean it's very cool It's four or five times a year Maybe three, four, five times a year depending But it's You know it always ends up a nice lunch with a bunch of good guys And the ritual work is really cool It really is cool So one other thing I want to mention And I mentioned this to you all during pregame Monday night of this week My Lodge had its official visit At Eureka West Shore Lodge number 302
[00:10:42] Where our district deputy was present Right Worshipful past Grandmaster S. Eugene Herrett was present And we had We had Well over 80 people in attendance at the lodge Which was fantastic It was our highest attendance at lodge since COVID Which again was like wow This is what that feels like That's awesome But we had obviously some 50 year awards that we conferred And we
[00:11:09] We awarded a service award to a member of our lodge who has served for 75 years That's incredible That was special The guy reflected on his time in the fraternity I think seeing a full room was moving for him And it really was cool So congratulations to all of them And just again I'm really proud of my lodge That's awesome That's great Did he get a 75 year pin? He did
[00:11:38] But he didn't get a 40 year pin We asked about it There were no 40s No 40s There you go Why don't you do that? I think I will Please We'll be on episode 210 by then We're going to have you petrified Somehow we're going to just Be like Weekend at Bernie's We'll just prop Larry up over the corner I think it'll be like his head next to Disney's Right there in the freezer No no no no Alright our guest Joey Dougherty Anything Masonically? I know you've been in town for a few weeks
[00:12:08] We'll talk a little bit more about that But anything Masonically while you've been around? I crashed the Ubar Grotto meeting Yeah you did It's been a couple of years But it was a nice homecoming to see everybody over there at John Wright Tavern And I don't know, I really felt the brotherly love It's been a minute since I've been in this area and getting to see everybody, be around everybody I know we've lost a couple of dear, dear brothers in the last couple of years
[00:12:33] But the love is stronger and it feels much closer than I've felt in a long time So thank you all for welcoming me back Great, it's good to have you back in town Your check is in the mail Take a quick break and we're going to come back and talk more with Brother Joey Dougherty Why choose George J. Grove & Sons for your next home improvement project?
[00:13:02] At George J. Grove & Sons, we've built our reputation on quality and trust for more than 50 years For planning, to materials, to installation George J. Grove promises a home improvement experience second to none Whether your goal is reducing energy costs, decreasing maintenance, updating curb appeal, or simply increasing the value of your home The George J. Grove team will recommend and provide solutions that stand the test of time
[00:13:30] Call 717-393-0859 for an estimate or visit us at georgejgrove.com
[00:13:40] And we're back
[00:14:04] Tonight's guest is, we have to be careful with what titles we use here, but I believe we can say Grammy supporting We can't call him a Grammy award winner I don't know if I support the Grammys Tim, that's Granny Grammys as in music It's Granny supporting Joey Dougherty, what title should we attach? I'm around Yeah Grammys as in
[00:14:31] Tell us about that work to start out with Let's just rip the band-aid off and go I've been fortunate enough to have worked on a couple of Grammy award winning projects in my career Can you mention them? Sure Check me out somewhere else You don't want to minace Good for you 100% support This was our only hope to trend No, no, no
[00:15:02] This does not trend No, it's, I mean Our guest next week, Sabrina Carpenter No, it's Anything in pop, rock, that kind of stuff Yeah, that's where I've been the last couple of years In the studios And been based out of Los Angeles for the last couple of years So, I don't think when we, you've been here before When you were here before, I don't think we talked about your actual career in music
[00:15:31] Or we're just, I think we were just getting A little bit, yeah I think I was just getting started because I know, I think I've, I think this is my third time here, if I'm not mistaken You gotta start paying dues if you're coming out No, I think the other two times I was like just gearing up to move to Boston And do college work and Right around that period of things And around that time, maybe it was right around Because I ended up scoring two degrees for the Northern Masonic jurisdiction Yes
[00:16:00] The Night at the Right, or I think they called it that Yep, still doing it It wasn't even that at the time Because that was, like, that post dated me I think we did two that were supposed to be, like, kind of, like, distributed initially Anyway, not getting any of that part Do you remember which degrees they were by any chance? Yeah, the 17th and the 4th Ooh, awesome Well, those are important degrees It was a true honor And the 4th is shown every time they do one They were fantastic And I understood why they picked them
[00:16:29] Having gone through and been a member of, you know Scottish Rite The Scottish Rite Yeah, yeah, but I was a member of the Valley of Lancaster And then for the rest of it up through Consistory I was in Harrisburg But having been asked to participate by the Grand Commander at the time Was a big honor And I think that was right around, like, when we last convened with me here I think you're right So, now, ever since I've been a degenerate pop scene guy
[00:16:58] And I owe another degree's worth of music coming up, so Awesome So, talk a little bit about your career as a musician Well, it's been very interesting And I try, a couple of weeks ago I was really sitting down because I haven't really participated much on the masonry front Since I've moved to Los Angeles I've been there for close to five years now So, I've taken quite a... I know, we had a nice guy We tried to hook you up It didn't work
[00:17:29] But having been there Such a yenta, oi I took kind of like a step back And it's time for me to really get back on the path again And... But... I've been equating my journey professionally to the craft Internally, at least Really trying to make some parallels And see... Especially in the creative process of music making
[00:17:59] And what I've learned It's really interesting It's way more a spiritual and esoteric practice than I think anybody would really believe Or... You know... I know, Josh, you're a musician And you've been around And you get that to that degree too But... It's... It's really interesting So... I would... Just... That's a long way around the block of saying I really feel like I'm kind of in my fellow craft Portion of my journey
[00:18:28] Even though... As I continue to take steps I feel like the further... I'm not even that far You know what I mean? It continues... The path continues to... You know the further down that path you go The easier... The easier it becomes I've heard that somewhere Yeah, somewhere I'm not sure... Where I've heard that Until you get to the fork in the road Just pick it up But... So... In... Right around the pandemic I was slated to move to Los Angeles I had done some work there
[00:18:59] In 2019 With a group I was playing with at the time And... I was like, oh this is great Like I can see myself here I mean... It's... I'm not like a beach guy by any stretch of the imagination It's not like for the normal reasons People... The weather and all that kind of stuff I was like no... It was really like a vibrant scene that I thought was appealing And then... When the world shut down I didn't... I was a little lost And I was like, well I think I'm gonna go there anyway And it just so happened that I had made
[00:19:29] Acquaintances with a studio... A head engineer at a studio in Los Angeles And she was kind enough to offer me a... Like really the... Like the broom sweeping gig The runner gig And from there I kinda just did my time And kinda like... Worked my way up So to speak And... It just parlayed one thing to another And getting into sessions And doing a lot of engineering work Production work
[00:19:59] Is kinda where I've been the past couple of years Instead of just straight guitar playing That's what I'd been doing until the pandemic hit But now, at this juncture of my life I've been finding... I'm going back into that creative side of the glass So to speak Not in the control room But in the studio room again Getting to play Yeah It's... That's cool It really is... There's no straight answer Really Do you think that your experience As an engineer Has made you a better musician?
[00:20:29] Oh, definitely And I think my experience as a musician Has made me the kind of engineer that I am Almost begrudgingly to some musicians too Cause it's like I understand where they're coming from And then like try to get ahead of it Or... It's a really delicate balance To ride And it's hard to put into words Balancing of what? It's curious Balancing of emotions and egos And thoughts And like politeness
[00:20:59] But also like you gotta be honest You know what I mean? Right It's like if this isn't working out Like we gotta... You know... So how do you navigate that? Because once I'm reading Rick Rubin's book right now The Creative Act Oh, he's one And it's like... It's a little bit weird Because it's not... Mark that spot, Josh It's not what I... It's not what I thought it was gonna be going into it It's much more Zen philosophy of it Yeah, big time But one of the things that was interesting to me As I'm reading it
[00:21:28] And I'm trying to think about if I were doing this job Because I mean I was... You know, you always try to put yourself in the shoes of what you're reading How do you tell someone that I understand your creative vision But as someone who's trying to make this mechanically work We have that in all forms of engineering But how... If I tell someone in my job that this isn't gonna work From an engineering perspective It's really just business You're talking about someone's baby Yeah, the...
[00:21:56] The really incredible thing about When it does work Is... It's... It doesn't need to be spoken about It's this like intrinsic like Oh, it's... It's gelled today You know what I mean? And I've seen it... Truth I've seen it on a lot of... And I'm sure in any form of business too I mean... But how do you tell someone that it's not working? Well... Well... They'll know They won't buy your book That's how you found out it wasn't working, Larry
[00:22:26] It worked! You just missed a cog! That's all If you'd gotten it out a year earlier You'd have been a bestseller That's right! The whole point... And I'm sure Rick alludes to this I haven't read his book I have a copy of it that I've yet to crack But the... I'm sure he would agree in that like When it's not working it's pretty evident And that like... It comes out in a wide range of... It presents itself Like... In a vast way Like... It could be anger It could be...
[00:22:57] Sadness It could be like... This isn't working Like... Somebody could be really raw And like... Man I thought... I thought this was the one Or this is the thing Or like... They might stop showing up or whatever And then you gotta try to get them down there Even though... You know... It's also not the one But keep keeping it going Because it's better... It's better to continue to go Rather than try to harp on something You know what I mean? It's better than like... Complete the creative act Yeah... No matter how it's coming out And then make your decision Or... Well it's almost like... Well hey let's just do this
[00:23:26] Give it a try And just say you've done it And if it doesn't work Then you've done it And you know it doesn't work And then you keep going You know what I mean? I know that's... Well it didn't work then Under those circumstances Exactly Right? It could work If you did it again A year from now Right... Here's Jack producer Yeah... I mean seriously... Circle back to that It's like... Well you have it... Let's put a pin in that Yeah... And then we'll come back... And then we'll come back... And that's... Yeah... That's kind of the MO But in terms of like...
[00:23:57] I don't know... It's... Like I said... When it does work And it all lines up It's... It's beautiful So... And I'm not trying to... Just to bounce off of you One of the things I've been trying to do With reading this book Is... I started listening to music Not in terms of the artist But in terms of who produced it Mm... And... When you start doing that You can see things That you can't see If you're just listening to an artist's album Sure So how do you
[00:24:27] Put your fingerprint on? Avoid pointing your fingerprint on? Like how conscious do you have to be Of what your influence is On what you're working on? That's really... That's a great question Especially coming from Like somebody who's not directly In this craft Like as a... As a... You know As a participant On this side of things Like it's... That is... Something that riddles all of us Because there are personalities That are like
[00:24:56] This is my record Like I'm the guy Doing this record You're like... It's not like you're lucky To be working with me As a producer But it's like No, I'm... Like you hired me For a reason So I'm here to do what I do And then there are producers That are... Who I would liken to Like... Like gutter guards It's like No, let the cow out of the barn And like Once he starts getting out of the pasture Like time to bring him in Do you have a sound?
[00:25:26] Do I have a sound? Do you have a sound? I try not to I really try not to You know what I mean Yeah, I do I do All my friends call me Mr. Bright Like Because all the stuff I grew up listening to Funny enough Like You know when you listen to the radio It's like you hear like Pat Benatar and Hart And like On the classic rock stage It's all like Sheen and bright And all this Like it's like Polished and like High treble Yeah It's like Right You're like I want to hear everything And it's so funny Because like I've fallen into A group of friends That are like Really dirty sounding
[00:25:56] Like cool roots rock Americana stuff And they're all tapey And vibey And all this stuff And then like They're like Oh he's It's only vinyl The thing he's gonna do Is gonna be like You can hear everything Clearly And I'm like Well isn't that what we do? Like you want to hear Everything correctly? I'm just gonna get You don't count for like Some of that negative Space and sound That was so part of like That great like Grunge Late 90s 2000s Where you You want that distortion You want The guitar that hums When you stop playing
[00:26:26] You write your song Working that in And that's where I've gone Like the studio I came up And I'm very fortunate To have come up And like I'll forever It'll be one of the fondest Periods of my life But it really is Kind of like the pop mecca And it always has It was a place called Henson Recording Studios And they used to be A&M Records Oh yeah So if you're familiar with that There's a documentary That came out recently Called The Greatest Night in Pop Which is about Is about The recording of We Are the World Oh man And that was the studio I worked at So it's
[00:26:55] Very cool pedigree It's always been I mean like Before A&M I mean history alone Of this particular lot It was built in 1917 By Charlie Chaplin Like built by Charlie Chaplin Not like Oh he got his butt Yeah of course There was a whole crew And everything But he was there Doing his work benches In the studio lobby You know what I mean? That's nuts I mean like it's The lot is still It's a historic lot And so like you could And Musso and Frank's restaurant That they used to go to Like right around the corner Up on Hollywood
[00:27:24] Is like a horse They used to race their horses To get lunch And whoever Didn't I mean whoever lost Bought lunch You know what I mean? Like it was that That close So like the history of it all That's crazy So it plays into all that So that being said When it was A&M Obviously like All the top acts were there And they're still there today To this day And so that sound also A&M that was Al Hurt Herb Alpert and Jerry Moller So do you feel that
[00:27:54] Like we talk about Individual engineers Producers Sound teams Having their sound Do those studios Have a sound That's sort of there In them Like Big time The same team Different place Different sound Yeah Well that's That's part of the science Of what I do Is you pick the room That suits the record best So like I've been to Oh really Different acoustics In the room Yeah Yeah Cool So like studio Like even within Studio complexes Like A at Henson Or A&M
[00:28:24] Is like the biggest room And they Like Pink Floyd Tracked Learning to fly in there So like the drums Are like That's that drum sound That big drum sound Is studio A So when I listen To the radio I go Oh I know what room That is I know what room That is Like I've been in those rooms I hear that room You can hear it That's wild I'm flashing back To that scene In Dewey Cox Where he's going Through his Brian Wilson phase Oh yeah That's East West Studio 3 Okay yeah Yeah So they really And funny enough Too close to the sun No
[00:28:53] The funniest part The funniest part about that Being on this side Is that's literally The exact room That they track Pet sounds in They went and filmed The scene in there I did not know It was the same room That's such a great room It's the exact same room It's so funny Oh my god It's still open today They went in That's fantastic And that was the big joke To the industry people Was no We could still go record In there And they did the scene In there Did they have the same Goats Brian Wilson Used for the movie You know I think they've They've since retired And their scale Is far too expensive For any projects Because they did get to it
[00:29:23] Hey man Hal Blaine famously said To Paul Simon After Bridge Over Troubled Water Came out He hired him For another project After Simon and Garfunkel split And he walked in To the first You know They're like Oh hey The first session And they got the bill And he started At triple scale Hal Blaine And Paul Simon Was like Why so expensive What's going on Hal I thought we were buddies He goes Hey man Don't you realize I'm the drummer That played on Bridge Over Troubled Water Whoa
[00:29:52] There was a Stop Talking about scale Yeah Wow Yeah So it's heavy Yeah Here's what you're Paying for Yeah We reached the point Tonight where Larry gets to ask A question What Hey Larry Should we let him Go to the bathroom First No It's been on my mind We talked about this You talked about this Earlier And you were talking About how Freemasonry Helps guide you I think in the Process of
[00:30:23] Putting it together Thinking about it Maybe Putting a score together How And it's something That I think Is inherent With anybody Who Writes music Produces music Is there a question coming? Writes a book So my point is Easy now There is a plug coming It's coming Sometimes you You think I think I've got it up here But where Where is this coming from?
[00:30:53] Where is this coming from? The create You mean the creative process? The creative process Yeah There's something that Mozart Had talked about And I'm not likening myself To it Yeah Here's this thing That I also do My buddy Wolf Yeah No but There's something that he talks about That I really like Respected And I He put it in such a great way That I hadn't Really Heard anybody else say That I'm like Oh
[00:31:24] That's it Right He He never really took ownership Over his creations He always Gave the props to It came from God Or it came from He just happened to grab it From the air Is what the translation I heard Like he was lucky enough To grab it from the air Yeah He was just the vessel In which it Presented itself For us to hear That's very Michelangelo The idea that I just Remove the stone That is not needed Sure Exactly It's like
[00:31:53] I happen to do this thing That You know And some of the best creatives That I've been around And my favorite ones That I've been around Also embody that Which is just like I woke up this morning And I did this today But it's humble And tomorrow I'm going to do something else You know what I mean But there's the humility There's no ego marriage To the creation In a way that it's like People become People become Insufferable So That's That's the way
[00:32:23] You work I try I try I try to embody that It's not always the case It's a hard place To be to But Yeah I definitely try All right We're going to take A quick break Thank you Thank you very much And we'll be right back With our guest Joey Daugherty Wow Looking for a way to show Your Masonic pride And affiliation But also want to Have a relaxed look Two Pillars Apparel Is a Masonic Owned company That incorporates
[00:32:52] Sports apparel With Freemasonry Check out their Current lines From Blue Lodge As well as the Appendant bodies York and Scottish Rite Two Pillars Apparel Is always adding New designs and items Check in today To get a baseball Or hockey jersey Or one of their New Scottish Rite Lapel pins Or hoodies Two Pillars Apparel Works for large Social functions Or going to the game Visit them at TwoPillarsApparel.com That's T-W-O PillarsApparel.com
[00:33:21] All right We're back with Ow Joseph Joey Daugherty Has checked Impales himself With a pair of Headphones I don't know how I do that I gotta fold My ear thing Into this Headset thing It's crazy Anyway Sorry Proceed Never mind So how often When you're In the middle Of working on
[00:33:50] Something like this Do you find Yourself pulling out Those working tools We use in Masonry And saying This is how I can work This process On a creative Act On something That is not Predetermined Or stepwise Yeah where does That come in That's a really Tough one And honestly That's what I've Been trying to Equate for myself Now that I'm In more of a Position to do So It's
[00:34:20] So much Of the That process The creative Process is so Rogue And it's so It's so Situationally Based That It's hard To like Maintain some Sort of Semblance Of You're Distracting I Maintain the Semblance Of like Of like Consistency Where you're Able to Apply those Things in A logical Way So Oftentimes
[00:34:50] It's more Of an Internal Grounding A reminder Mainly Funny enough And not Funny I guess This is Funny at All But Funny Not Funny I always When I Step into A new Room With a New Client Or a Situation That is Really Uncomfortable And I Know Like it's Going to Be odd For a Little Bit Until you Get Acquainted And I Always Take a Second And I Walk Through Three
[00:35:19] Steps To Obligations Cool For Myself Good You know What I Mean I Re-center Myself That way And I Remind Myself To Stand Tall And I Do That It's A Little Thing I Have For Myself That Is Stepping Properly You know What I Mean And And Really Take Each Step Deliberately As I Enter A Situation And That's Been My Own Little Meditation You know What I Mean Like I Said I Haven't Attended Lodge Or Any Real
[00:35:49] Masonic Functions In A Couple Of Years But It's It I I Haven't Been Been Able To Sit And Do That So How How Often Is The
[00:36:19] Artist's Idea Of What It's Going To Be Right And How Often Do Things Get Changed In The Process Which Is More Common Yes Okay Fair Fair Yes It's It's It Usually Starts There's No Usual Start Sorry That's Even An Oxymoron In Terms Of In Terms Of What We Do There's No Usual Anything Somebody Could Have An Idea Somebody Could Just There Could Be A Writing Session There Could Be You Know It There's No
[00:36:49] Right Way To Do It At All And That's Also The Cool Thing You Develop This Bond And This Kinship Over Discovering The Unknown Together That's Any Kind Of Creativity Though Of Of You Give Me A Blank Page I'm Done I'm Just Frozen In Like Paralyzed Because That Blank Screen Is Just I Can't Work With That That's My Head Explodes Well That Means You're A Certain Type Of Way Of Working For My Favorite Type Of Clients To Work With If I'm Not Creating For Myself Is I
[00:37:19] Love The Ones That Come In And They're Like I Got This Song I've Been Chewing On This For A Couple Of For For For Fruition You Know What I Mean You Held That On Right To The End That Was Because There Was So Much You You Won't Hear It But There Was So
[00:37:48] Much Commotion In The Studio Just While You Were Talking You Know It I Know It They Don't All Know It No But Yeah We're Back Now And Joey Just Delivered It Right To The End It Was Perfect So Yeah No It Is It's A Thing It's A I Don't Know It's It's It's An Art I
[00:38:25] Right And Then You Have To Give It To A Sales Guy And The Sales Guy Has To Promote It And Sell It It's An Industry It's A But It's A It's A Giant Machine But It Starts With A Creativity That I I Mean I Don't I Don't Pretend To Have Now There's Things Like There You Go So This Is Really Distracting In A Minute We'll Tell You What He's Doing But Like I When We
[00:38:55] Remodeled This Lodge That Was My Creativity I I Saw It I Had A Vision Of It I I I I I I I I And And And We Executed It And It's Kind Of The Same It's I It's Not The Same It's Not Nearly It's Not A Grammy Winning Lodge But But The Idea Of Creating Something Out
[00:39:35] So a couple rapid fire questions While guys recalibrate here So what's your favorite project You've ever worked on Oh man That's rapid fire Thanks for that They're all like little children Where it's just like each one has given me A story They've helped me grow up You know what I mean But all the parents here know you absolutely have a favorite child
[00:40:05] They're all They all have something that I look fond upon I will say though That there's one specific special one And that was A mentor of mine brought me in to do The latest Lady Gaga jazz album That came out last year And that was a very special Couple of weeks That it just Yeah Everybody had a space At the table And it really felt like You know what I mean Like
[00:40:35] It was just right Everything about it Just felt right So which project And this is not negative But which project Was your most challenging Hmm Man Sometimes it gets real hard I remember there was one particular Challenging record Just because the tech Just wasn't lining up for the week It just wasn't happening Like the room just wasn't jiving Sometimes it happens
[00:41:03] The ghost happens to reside in the machine As it were And there was a record we did For a jazz artist And the room just like Wasn't Happening Like everything was just breaking Left and right And That That was definitely A lot of sleepless nights So For a studio that's been around As long as that one has In various incarnations Right Is it haunted? The stories are there Right The stories are there And
[00:41:32] I'm not gonna say that it's not And I'm not gonna say that it is Okay Because you might piss them off But I've I've You know the feeling It's like You know that Like I'm being watched And there's nobody here You don't wanna be the last one out Every time Larry's in the room Yeah No definitely The stories are definitely there For sure And there was a lot of Actually A lot of superstition Regarding that Because for the longest time In the 70s and 80s The Carpenters resided That was kind of their home Yeah Home base And obviously Karen had a pretty
[00:42:02] Untimely and really Tragic End to her life So For the longest time She had a crystal That she Was like her personal Like Decorative crystal That was hung on the wall In Studio B And as the studio Changed hands over the years I think It got smaller People took pieces But still to this day They keep it lit up 24-7 That's the only light That stays on all the time Because The ghost light That's cool though For instance When the stuff was going down And I was just like What's up My first call was to the guy Who was in the other room Where the crystal is And I go
[00:42:31] Hey is the light on the crystal Because Whenever the light would go out It was like Mayhem And we're like Oh Karen's pissed Like There's something going on You know So like That was always the funny first joke It's like Hey is the thing on It's like Yeah We're good today You know And then it's like Okay Now I have to do work What project Do you Did you find Changed the most From when it walked in the door To when you guys put it out Like Which project went through
[00:43:01] The most complex metamorphosis Hmm It's hard to say It really is Because they all transform They all They could like Because there's no Like Recognizable start To anything ever All of a sudden You blink And you're like Wow we got like Six songs in Or you're like Oh this is Here we are You know what I mean There's no like Like During the break You were mentioning
[00:43:30] About Trent Reznor Like he's the kind of guy Where like He's not really traveling So much with like A big team It's like him And he He sees the transformation And he's able to speak about it Because he's the creative That's like Manipulating everything All the time for himself But when there's a large team Or there's A group of creatives It's kind of like Oh And now we're here You know what I mean Rarely Rarely do we go Let's listen to what it was before Because Then that starts to like Introduce doubt So you never listen
[00:43:59] And try to go back To where you were You're always going forward Yeah I mean And if And if that's the case It's like Okay no let's make a deliberate Step to do that It's not like We're It's really dangerous Actually to listen Because we call it Demo-itis In the field It's like Well you'll listen to a demo tape Like I'm sure you've got Josh I actually liked it The way we did it Like three years ago Way better Even though sonically It's not Like quote unquote What you're paying for And it's not like The best You're like That one had a vibe And like
[00:44:29] I'm an advocate for that Where it's just like Well if that's right That's right Why are we doing this again So It's hard to say Like what has transformed the most Because Like Jack said Like You captured that moment Right now You know what I mean So like There was that moment And if we do it again It's just a different moment You're hitting on something really interesting About the moment And the state of mind And where you are And music is a really emotional thing But engineering Is a non-emotional thing In a lot of ways
[00:44:58] So how do you make sure That your mindset Do you find your Masonic tools Help you keep Your emotionality Out of your work No I actually try to Put emotion into engineering Okay I flip it entirely Because My whole like Credo for myself Is good engineering Is the beginning of the day Like I need It needs to be done Like It needs to sound good Because That's when the day Really starts
[00:45:28] That's when like The artist is able To come in And do what they do Effectively Because if there's something Wrong on my end Their day stops Right Or the producer Or even When I'm engineering For myself Or my friends Or like If I'm writing I have to put The engineering aside Because that's the beginning Of the Yeah that's the pre-rec It sounds good At that level They're You know They're operating In a space Where like They're able to have The facilities And the resources Where it's like No At the beginning Of the day It just sounds great
[00:45:57] So like Anything I do Is effectively captured You know what I mean So I really try to Actually just get that Out of the way And have an emotional Engineering Like If I'm gonna do Engineering I try to I try to think Like a musician And an artist You get the feels Yeah You're like Well yeah No technically This is right For sure But like Does it suit The record Does it Like Like a trashy Microphone Might be better Than like A very expensive Vintage microphone
[00:46:26] So what do you do When you find Your emotional state Isn't conducive To where that Record's going Cry No It's tough It's tough Because like You could They could be Fully in it Like this is the thing And you're like Man I don't agree With this At all Like But The role of an engineer If you're hired Specifically as an engineer Unless you have like A really great
[00:46:56] Standing relationship With the producer Or the artist For that matter It's kind of like Well I'm here to serve Your needs In a way Where it's like I'm here Like I'm here To help you execute Like I said Good sounds Are the start Of their day Help you execute Your vision Exactly It's a service business And I was taught That even all throughout College Like in the engineering Department At school It's just like This is a service business If you're not ready To do that Then like Choose something else And that's totally cool But it's definitely like I'm here to help you today
[00:47:27] Which is also interesting It creates for an interesting Psychological dynamic Between Creatives Because engineering Is also creative Like there are A million choices There's like A million ways To skin a cat Or whatever And it's like They don't know That's why they're hiring you So it's like You're playing this game Where they're like It needs to be purple Is like kind of the adage It's like Oh the record Wasn't purple enough today You know Like That's kind of the thing And it's like Well you don't know What they're talking about They're like I want that underwater Sound on my vocal And you're like What is it
[00:47:57] You're like So yeah for sure dude So like What you're describing Is almost This weird paradox Where you're You have to have Your full emotional palette Open to you To tap into But you can't bring Anything from outside Into that room No but At the same time The way that You have to sneak it in Because the best thing That I was taught Was when they ask you To do something like that You have to do The best version Of what How you You do that Like they can be like I want this sound From this Ba ba ba
[00:48:27] And you're like Okay cool That's an echo sound And you know The tech behind it But you're like But how would I do that In this situation How would I approach that So they kind of Give you the leash And you're like Cool here's this cool thing You know what I mean And then it's like Kind of like Back and forth Guessing games Until it's right So you do get to Bring it to the table But you Shove it way down Inside You have that What do they call that
[00:48:55] In like animals It's like what You got the Instinct No it's like When it's got The symbiotic relationship You know what I mean It really is like that So you know Over time You know The concept of albums And so on Has changed I remember Some very famous Albums that I grew up on I mean Pink Floyd's The Wall Fleetwood Mac's Rumors Sure Alan Parsons Project Eye in the Sky Those were Purposefully Collected Created
[00:49:25] Produced songs That were connected Concept albums Concept albums Do those still exist Today Anywhere I've been on a couple of them Okay Yeah Good Gaga does that all the time Right Yeah No I've been on No like They're out there And they're just as important As they've always been It's just that In today's day and age It's just It just smells different You know what I mean Coheed and Comrie Has been doing a Gigantic series Of space operas Dude Every album Is a different story Just getting ready
[00:49:54] To talk about Coheed I gotta check that out Wow Send that to me Well no He's good I'd love to hear it Yeah That sounds awesome I mean their whole thing There's a comic book That the singer Claudio did And The Afterman The music is based on The comic book See I thought their whole Catalog was that way too Yeah There's like one or two albums That are not like Yeah Part of that canon But like all the albums Are Right Related to that comic book And that's incredible And the art behind Like I know Miley Cyrus for instance
[00:50:24] I didn't work on this record I've got a few friends That have been Tangentially involved But she just announced A record that Is along that line There's a film coming out And there's It's a whole thing A couple of singles Have already come out That like she's really Diving into that Concept thing again So are you talking About concept albums Or are you talking about Just like cohesive records From the beginning Cohusive records They're still around They really are And the great Honestly
[00:50:53] You watch the Grammys And I'm not like Any advocate of Like the That scene But You watch those Type of things Any songs that are Coming out Like getting the Getting the nod Or getting the The Nominations They've all been On records That have multiple Singles that have hit In Still In the last Five years They still are They're still Parts of packages Like it's still Happening
[00:51:22] It's just that I think it goes The other way Tim I think there's Fewer one hit wonders I hear a lot Fewer one hit wonders If I hear somebody I've got five or six Songs A lot of the One hit wonders You'd say now Are They're TikTok artists We call them Right So they'll They'll make it Big on social media And Without getting into Like a lot of Like music politics It's like They'll have Sponsorship pretty Quickly Or advocacy At a large level With funds
[00:51:52] Because they've Already done the Legwork They've already Garnered the promotion And they get They get the Treatment And then they're Not ready You know what I Mean They're not And it's Different Because you Have people Like a Gaga Or A Miley Or Any of those People who Have cut their Teeth Playing clubs And they've Like still They did it The old way Quote unquote And they're able To hang on Because they Know how to They know It's a marathon
[00:52:21] Like a couple Of singers That I've Witnessed They'll run Their show While on the Treadmill Like three times A day Like things You don't see When you guys Go buy a ticket For a concert Those singers Are going on The treadmill And doing Their set On the treadmill A couple Of times A day So when they Come out To play For y'all They're not Winded And they're Not like Looking old Or like Whatever it is You know what I mean They're ready To go Larry does The whole Show from A treadmill Before we Record He's ready To
[00:52:54] So earlier We talked About artists Or recordings That just The first time You do them They just They didn't Work And then I know That in Interviews I've heard From artists Who said You know I did that Song Twelve years Ago And it Just Wrong time Wrong place Whatever The sound Wasn't right Fast forward You know Those twelve Years And all of a Sudden Now it's Right Sure Do you Have an Experience With that That you Can share
[00:53:24] I I I do There's one Artist in Particular That had That had A song That they Had Composed A couple Of years Prior Jake We can Hear You Sorry That's Okay There's An artist That had A song That they Had Composed A couple Of It just It meant A lot To The couple
[00:53:54] Of people That were Around And then It was Just Not Right Yet Like it Just Wasn't Like for Whatever Reason When they Recorded it The first Time It just The emotion Was there And the Intention Was there It just Didn't Fit Where this Person Was in Their Life And I was Lucky Enough To Be Around When they Decided That it Was Time And they Gave it A shot And the Second Take is The one That you
[00:54:24] Hear on The record They did It live In the Room And it Was There It was Done And it Just Happened That Wednesday Or Thursday Was the Right Day There's No rhyme Or reason To it It's It's Magic It really Is I mean It's Josh I always Defer to Josh Because he Get Like You guys Don't Get it But There's Like It's Inexplicable It really Is It's Like Okay Well Sure I guess Here it Is Today You know You get Good Gigs You get Bad Gigs And you Don't Know Why
[00:54:55] Because Often Times I don't Know Josh In Your Experience But Like When I Was gigging All the Time Like The Best Laid Plans For Gigs Like The Best Thought Out Ones And These Like No We're Really Going To Kill It Were The Worst Gigs I've Ever Played Oh Yeah It's It's It's All about The Experience Like In The Moment Like You
[00:55:58] Oh Do As As Far Back As The Mid 1800s Records Exist Describing The Pre-meaning Tradition Of Brethren Smoking Cigars During And After Gatherings To This Day The Practice Of Smoking Cigars Remains Very Much Alive In Many Lodges This Custom Is Considered A Time For Brethren To Relax Exchange Ideas And Enjoy The Simplicity
[00:56:28] And Fellowship That Is The Very Essence Of Our Brotherhood This Is What Hyreman Solomon Cigars Is All About Our Starting Principles Are To Bring Masonic Brethren Together In The Harmony Of A Good Cigar Pull Up A Chair Sit Back Light Up Any Of Our Premium Cigars And
[00:56:59] At A Event Near You Hyreman Solomon Cigars Is Pleased To Be The Official Cigar Of The Masonic Light Podcast Free Masonry Teaches Us That The True Work Is Within A Lifelong Journey Of Reflection Discipline And Discovery At A Mason's Work We Help Masons Bring
[00:57:29] Out Their Best Selves Through Meaningful Self Inquiry And Symbolic Practice From Personal Reflection To Lodge Engagement We Offer Tools That Turn Symbols Into Action Visit Us At Amasons Work Dot Com The Work Is Within The Time Is Now
[00:57:58] Welcome To Quiet Time With Larry Maris Anger Do You Get Mad At Someone Or Something For No Apparent Reason Psychologists Call It Displaced Anger I Have A Lot Of That Lately Displaced Anger I Get Mad
[00:58:28] If I Lose A Sock In The Dryer Or If A Bird Crops On My Brand New Deck Or When The Traffic Light Turns Green And The Driver In Front Of Me Doesn't Move My Wife Says I Have Anger Issues I Don't Think I Do Besides What Does She Know Okay Well That
[00:59:04] Larry Larry Working Through Some Shit Larry Is Working Through Some Stuff Tonight All Right So You owe us $200 For Counseling I'm Just Saying It Was Great Episode Tonight But We Do Have One More Thing That We Need To Do With You Joey Tonight It's Time To Play Do Yes That's Right It's That Game Show Where We The Host Of Masonic Light Podcast Try To Guess How Much You Our Guest Pay Here
[00:59:36] For Do Cards Not Counting Travel And Meals Just Do Cards So Hold That Number In Your Mind While We Go Around The Room And Embarrass Ourselves Jake How Much Two Hundred Dollars Two Hundred Dollars Tim Has The Quill And Is Writing This Down Joshua Four Hundred Thirty Six Dollars And Twenty Six Cents Twenty Six Cents That's Going To Put In The Twenty Six
[01:00:06] Cents All Right Leryl One Hundred And One Dollars One Hundred And One Dollars What's Your Name Timmy I'm Going To Go With One Hundred And Two Dollars And I Will Explain Why I Went With That If I Win Oh I Was Going To Say 105 But All right I'm Saying 105
[01:00:36] Now This This Is Dues The Dollar Value Of Dues That You Are Entitled To Carry Right Now Whether You Pay Them Or Not Okay So We're Not Counting What He's Got In Rears As Long As He's Entitled To Carry The Card That's What Counts That's What All Right That's To Review Larry Said 101 I Said 102 Jack Said 105 Jake Said 200
[01:01:06] And Josh Said 436 And 26 It's The Change Yes Be The Change Josh Be The Change So Joe Dockery I have To Call You Joe Now Because You're Not Really Joey Anymore I'm Sorry It's Joe Joe Dockery Tell Us First Of Doors Qualification Tell Us Which Buys
[01:01:36] Or Buddy Had It Been A Couple Of Years Ago Josh Would Have Been On The Number Yeah See I Know How Much Lodge 43 Doors Are If This Was The Price Is Right Tim Deadman Would Have Won No 103 Exactly 102 They Overcharged You It Was 100 Did We Not Remit Your Deuce For Grotto There Is Extra Tax In California
[01:02:06] That's Right There Is The Tariff From California Tariff We Almost Made It Joe And I We We're Talking About When To Meet Somewhere And He Said To
[01:02:36] Me Joe The Engineer Grammy What Did I Say Grammy Adjacent Says When Are You Guys Taping Tonight Taping Can We Guess Who Asked You That Can We Guess Who Asked You The Recording Industry Professional Asked Me When We're Taping Tonight Oh My Gosh Did You Really When I Think Of Episodes Film Anything Like That Right We All Do I'm With You
[01:03:28] Disqualification I Used The Tools In My Toolbox It Could Have Been 102 But I'm Pretty Sure It We Got Coming Up In The Next Couple Of Weeks
[01:03:58] Larry Besides Goose and Gridiron Goose and Gridiron And A Visitation To Mount Horeb Blue Lodge In Lancaster Which Is The Prince Hall Lodge On Monday Okay So If You're Listening To This On Day One Tonight Is The Night 7 P.M There's Still Time Jack Harley So I Have A Lot Going On At My Home Lodge This Weekend Which Will Be A Couple Of Days Ago When This Drops But We'll Have A Game Night We
[01:04:45] Stupid Priors You Know Prizes But Anyway So We're Doing That There's A Couple Of Royal Arch Things That I'm Going To Be Doing It's Just I Don't Know I'm Sure Tim You're Going To Have Three Things That I'm Going To Do In The Next Two Weeks That
[01:05:15] Going To The Prince Hall Visitation If I Can Make It And That's Going To Be About All I Can Squeeze In Between Now And The Next Episode You Do Have A Move There Might Be Some Grotto In There Too Okay Cool Josh I'll Probably watch Grotto From Across The River I Might Go to The Cigars Rising From John Wright Restaurant I Might Go To The Mount Horb Thing If I Can Get Out Of Work And Oh Oh I I'm Sorry Continue And
[01:05:46] That's It Okay Joey The Take A Sprinter Van A Bunch Of Guys Are Going To Go Out To Bradford PA And His Father Is Going To Confer An Enterprise Degree And
[01:06:34] Connected To Lodge Out Yeah It's About Time Without Getting Too Far Into Things And Running Over Time You
[01:07:04] Affinity Lodges From Your Perspective Yeah Sure There Are A Couple Of Really Great You Know You Can Visit Them Without Having To Join Yes Yes It's Time We're Going To Commission You As An In The Field Reporter So We Need To Report Back Got It Will Do All Right I'll Try To Find Time To Fly Out To L.A. In A Past Masters Dinner
[01:07:33] Coming Up On The 16th We Get Together Twice A Year This One Is The Fun One Because It's Just Social And We Get Together And Have A Great Time On The 26th Of This Month Is The Pete Ruggieri Unrun That Will Be At The Phantom Power Something Phantom Power It's A Comfort If If You Type In Phantom Power In Google Maps You Will Get There Miller's LPA We Encourage You To Look That Up Online
[01:08:03] And Or You Can Check It Out On Our Facebook Page All The Proceeds Go To Cancer Research Through That Event And In Great Remembrance Of Our Good Friend Pete Later That Evening On The 26th At My Lodge This Is A Really Cool Event The Mechanics Berg Rotary Club Is Sponsoring A Wine and Beer Festival In The Outdoor Surrounding The Parking Lot Area Where There's Going To Be
[01:08:33] Food Trucks And Several Local Small Brewers And So On Out There The Lodge Is Going To Be Open For An Open House And We Think It's Just A Great Opportunity To And Followed By Oob Grotto That Night
[01:09:02] Where We Will Hear From A Former Masonic Light Podcast Guest And Soon To Be Right Worshipful Newly Elected Junior Grand Warden Eric Downs Don't Jinx It So If You're In The Area Come To Oob Grotto And Have A Great Time Also If You Exactly All Right Well
[01:09:32] Again This Has Been Jack Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah I Forgot That Please So A Couple Of Weeks Ago A Couple Of Weeks Ago We Had A Guest In The Studio Brian Maddox I Don't Know If You've Listened To The Episode With Brian But Brian Is Tools From A Mason's Work
[01:10:02] From amasonswork.com And These Are Available If People Want Them And This Is What You Were Playing With Earlier Trying To Distract Me Right So These Are The 3D Printed Symbols To Talk About Talking About Yeah Yeah To About Thinking Right To Comes With A Little Book To Get You
[01:10:32] Started Like How To Think About These Things And It's Very Cool And He Left Us With An Extra Set No Kidding When He Was Here And It Is So Universally Cool
[01:11:02] Not To Get Back Down To The Musical The Producer Brian Eno He Came Up With A Deck Of Cards For In Studio Work For Inspirational Stuff They're Called Oblique Strategies And It's A Deck Of Cards And It's Like You Know They're Just Not Like Oh You're Doing Great Not That This Means So Much To Me Man Thank You So
[01:11:32] Much We Look Forward To Hearing How That How You've Used That When You Come Back Especially For Myself Absolutely That's Fantastic Thank And As Jack Said He Left Us With An Extra Set Of That And You Can Buy These Online From A Conversation About Those Tools
[01:12:02] Every Lodge In The United States Should Have Yeah Absolutely No Kidding All Right Larry Open That Gate And Get Us Home Larry's Got Great Chickens Everybody Says Some People Say He Doesn't Really Have Them I Seen Them They're Wonderful My Daughters Special Thanks To Lodge 665 To Josh Lambert And Our Producer Director Jack Harley Our News Director Sometimes Walter Left The Building Early Tonight
[01:12:32] Didn't Yeah Yeah Okay He's Fired Always Leave Him One More To Doug Maidenford And Austin Schifrin The Sonic Light Podcast Contributors And To Larry Maris Thanks For Listening And Remember Have Fun And Do Good Larry Turn That Thing Off Carol Feed The Chickens Man
[01:13:02] Bye Everybody